Look, I know a lot of you think that 9/11 was entirely conceived and carried out by a few Arabs with boxcutters, and I know that’s the official version and the verdict of the investigation (which happened during the BUSH administration, which just lied about every damned thing as a matter of course) and, if you’ve been following this blog for very long, you know that I don’t.
So, we disagree. Here is a list, however, of arguments I wish you would quit using.
1. “You’re nuts!” No, I’m not. Mildly eccentric, maybe, but I don’t see things which aren’t there, I know the difference between right and wrong, and I don’t keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Well, maybe I’m guilty of that last one a little bit.
2. “I was in New York! I saw it fall!” So? I saw it on TV. Your experience may have been more visceral, and traumatic, but mine is more objective.
3. “I had friends who died!” Condolences on your loss, and I mean no disrespect to the dead, but the fact that they were your friends does not prove that they weren’t killed by the CIA.
4. “You’ve already been proved wrong!” I think maybe you are confusing “proved wrong” with “shouted down.” They are not the same thing.
5. “I just can’t believe our government would do such a thing!” Why not? They’ve done it before. The explosion of the Maine. JFK. The Gulf of Tonkin. The USS Liberty. September 11th, 1973, in Chile. This isn’t new territory at all for these guys.
6. This is one that I got hit with today. “You probably believe the earth is flat, too.” There are several variations on this. They conflate truthers with birthers (who really are crazy people and not at all on the same side I am), and believers in any other thing they think is crazy. I don’t believe that Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster exist, or that crop circles were made by aliens. (I used to believe that, but debunked is debunked). I don’t believe in ghosts, reincarnation or an afterlife of any kind, although I’d love to be proven wrong. I haven’t seen any convincing evidence that a dead alien body is being kept at area 51, although I’m sure there are intelligent species from other planets, even space faring species. I hope we make contact with them some day but the universe is so vast that I imagine those meetings are rare indeed.
7. Occam’s Razor Frankly, I think Occam’s Razor favors the inside job argument, so I’m flat out claiming that one.
Anyway, it looks like there’s some new evidence out there about Saudi involvement, so maybe that will be enough to open the door to more investigation. It would be nice to know, at least, who gave the order to fly all Bin Laden’s relatives out of the U.S.
Whatever happened that day, we still don’t know the truth of it.
I’m with you. Perhaps it’s a mistake for me to have theories about what happened without enough clear evidence. I mean perhaps that confuses the issue when I should simply focus on what is obviously amiss. It’s difficult for me to believe that the three buildings fell in the manner they fell without the use of a planned demolition with explosives.
It’s interesting to me that GW was in the very city in Florida – where some Saudi operatives were staying prior to abruptly disappearing in the weeks prior to 9/11- on 9/11. I’m not sure if that is relevant or just a weird coincidence. (Sarasota, FL) All of the incidents of ass-kissing to the Saudi Royal Family that I see, even recently, give me pause.
The Bush family has a long history, generations back, of profitting from war and conflict. This is achieved by being in key positions to fund conflict (heads of banks funding/bolstering the Nazis for example), profitting from the human rights abuses that followed and then finally in the defense contracts from WWII. Yes, for real, that happened. Some holocaust survivors even brought a lawsuit against the Bush family over this, not all that long ago. Our justice system threw it out. So how would we think that this family business is not ongoing? Because of all the concern for regular Americans that this family always expresses? Because they go into office to work for policy that is actually good for Americans? Uh, huh.
The profit gained from building 7.
The obstruction in the investigations, not releasing important pieces of evidence.
The deaths of people who might have important things to say, given the opportunity. Dead people do not speak. (This is contemporary, btw. The current regime is not so disparate in these matters. And yes, I’ll still vote for him anyway. )
“Anyway, it looks like there’s some new evidence out there about Saudi involvement, so maybe that will be enough to open the door to more investigation.”
I believe this was announced / admitted to by the BUSH administration (don’t know why YOU capitalize that shithead’s name) days? after the attacks: that 16? of the alleged 19 terrorists were SAUDI citizens. This isn’t news. Yes, building 7, yes insurance money, yes carte blanche to start murdering brown children (again). Whatever. Horrible ghastly unfathomable. Wait until you see what’s next. Stop trying to convince those who won’t see the truth (after 11 years) and start figuring out the next false flag, before it happens.
You have my vote Uncle Willie! Why don’t you run for president? =)
It never did feel right to me. From the very first moment. Granted I was in the most radical of my college green party, vegan, government hating days, but the feeling is still there.
I hope there is further investigation and that at some point in my life, we learn the truth.
Thanks, Betsy!
Mike, we’re really not so far apart. But I think (as in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs or AA 12 step philosophy) that you can’t achieve the next step (predicting the next false flag) until you’ve completed the previous step (understanding what happened on 9/11).
Any Mouse, I’m guessing that Sarasota was a coincidence, but I find it fishy that he was in a school, talking to children, when it happened. The fact that he was not on his ranch clearing brush, playing golf, bicycling, or passed out somewhere in a drunken stupor, makes it look to me like brother Jeb was on top of the situation.
i’m with you on most of this… except the occam’s razor part. it seems to me that if our government wanted a war with iraq (either for profit, oil, or just because they like murdering mud people) they could have found an easier/less complex way to justify it than 9/11.
David, I think you underestimate their ambition. http://www.911myths.com/html/new_pearl_harbour.html
I could take the easy way out and just side with you but hey, where’s the fun in that? From your title you imply it’s just too hard to imagine “2 Planes, 3 Buildings”. But what’s so hard to believe about the possibility that the 3rd building was downed by the fall of the much much taller towers. It’s highly unlikely something that tall in the middle of an urban area could come down without taking out a few things in its path, like say another building or 2 or 3.
Have at it. Let’s stir the pot a little rather than all this, sure whatever you say stuff!
sorry, but that link goes to an article that implies that if pearl harbour hadn’t happened, we would have done it to ourselves — which i find an incredible leap of logic. it further implies that it would take the same kind of act of aggression to get americans behind a war on iraq as it did to get the public behind US involvement in WW II, which is logical, but still far from anything resembling proof.
in other words, lots of “weird coincidence” does not a conspiracy make (to my mind, at least).